Subject	Dee, your list of criteria is missing a couple of other
Posted by	Ash's Z on February 03, 2017 at 6:11 PM
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In Reply To	the only benefit gained is if you are modifying one or posted by The Devils Z on February 02, 2017 at 06:12 PM
Message	parameters. What I dont think you are seeing is the effect of the runner length and plenum chamber volume have on the volumetric efficiency of the engine across its operating range of RPM. Your basic criteria assume 100% VE to keep comparisons 1:1. Runner length and plenum chamber volume operate in a transient mode relative to engine RPM. Look up hemholtz resonance and intake manifold design. Its a bit lengthy to explain. :-P Enthusiasts soon understand each other. --W. Irving. Are you an enthusiast? If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor. Albert Einstein
Follow Ups	Intake Manifold pics. - Ash's Z 20:52:05 02/01/17 who welded that? a child with no arms? - Jiro 21:05:59 02/01/17 Those are just tack welds. Endtanks will be coming back off - Ash's Z 21:54:03 02/01/17 That's what I was thinking. (n/m) - ForceFedTT (SoCal) 03:07:18 02/03/17 Hmmm. Have you thought about integrating air to water - ConVerTT 21:32:13 02/01/17 Yes. I have concerns with doing that though. >> - Ash's Z 21:56:26 02/01/17 Wouldn't that restriction net out due to the lack of - Summeronthechain (MN) 07:59:01 02/02/17 Plenums would have to be much larger. - BlackholeZ 10:50:11 02/02/17 Where does the balance tube go? (n/m) - MixManMash 21:36:10 02/01/17 It will run along the backside. (n/m) - Ash's Z 21:54:40 02/01/17 Is it me or... - RobZ32 22:39:37 02/01/17 They are all identical. I actually cut out #1 and #5 and - Ash's Z 23:23:43 02/01/17 I meant, #1 and #6. (n/m) - Ash's Z 01:03:12 02/02/17 Re: Intake Manifold pics. - NNayak 01:34:32 02/02/17 Yes, fits no problem. - Ash's Z 11:18:25 02/02/17 Very cool - ZaXxon 12:14:53 02/02/17 Re: Yes, fits no problem. - NNayak 14:34:01 02/02/17 Very interesting. What about the IACV and Air Regulator? - Polish 02:27:42 02/02/17 Yes, all air handling systems will be integrated, as well as - Ash's Z 11:36:57 02/02/17 Balance tube enlarges pulsation effect and (can) improve VE - lymon 13:24:47 02/02/17 Yes, I have read about that. :) (n/m) - Ash's Z 15:24:48 02/02/17 Care to link those papers? (n/m) - BlackholeZ 02:45:49 02/03/17 Re: Care to link those papers? - lymon 06:47:44 02/03/17 Re: Care to link those papers? - lymon 07:15:47 02/03/17 Re: Re: Care to link those papers? - Dallas DamonZ 08:37:22 02/03/17 The perceived difference is in the slash cut cross section - induetime 13:29:03 02/03/17 This ^ (n/m) - Ash's Z 18:12:17 02/03/17 here's our comparison: - vorpalZ 14:22:34 02/03/17 Cool - FrozTTy 08:11:41 02/02/17 Because the goal is even flow between runners - BlackholeZ 10:35:20 02/02/17 Winner! (n/m) - Ash's Z 11:18:55 02/02/17 :-) Been spending a bunch of time with plenum design lately - BlackholeZ 11:40:26 02/02/17 Re: :-) Been spending a bunch of time with plenum design lately - Ash's Z 11:51:01 02/02/17 link don't work (n/m) - BlackholeZ 01:13:15 02/04/17 Looks just like an R35 intake mani..... (n/m) - The Hawk 09:15:13 02/02/17 That's what I was thinking too. (n/m) - MixManMash 13:49:18 02/02/17 Interestingly enough, the design wasn't intended to be a - Ash's Z 15:23:43 02/02/17 very cool..... - Madhatter10-6 10:20:26 02/02/17 This design with a little shorter runners and larger plenum - Ash's Z 15:28:26 02/02/17 the only benefit gained is if you are modifying one or - The Devils Z 18:12:39 02/02/17 Not quite - BlackholeZ 19:48:21 02/02/17 you described #4-consistent air flow across each chamber (n/m) - The Devils Z 21:13:36 02/02/17 I did - BlackholeZ 23:14:41 02/02/17 Dee, your list of criteria is missing a couple of other - Ash's Z 18:11:09 02/03/17 Curious as to how this would benefit folks with smaller - Mr.Stacy 19:29:46 02/02/17 This design is more oriented for any setup looking to - Ash's Z 22:52:49 02/02/17 How do you access the plugs? Coil packs? (n/m) - EricTTZ 18:20:11 02/02/17 I'd expect to be using VAG coils. (n/m) - BlackholeZ 23:17:15 02/02/17 Oh great. The coils that fail like crazy. Super. (n/m) - MixManMash 00:13:20 02/03/17 They don't last 25 years like the Z32 coils, - BlackholeZ 02:21:54 02/03/17 The VW coils on my wife's Passat are 16 years old and have - xpwarrior 16:22:57 02/03/17 I've actually been thinking of switching to the VAG coils - BlackholeZ 19:29:19 02/03/17 Very interesting. I am interested to see it completed and - Boosted1 05:40:23 02/03/17 "only one still actively developing..." that's funny:) (n/m) - LitlElvis 11:33:25 02/03/17 Agreed, just because it's not posted about before its done - induetime 13:25:43 02/03/17 LOL, you were the first person I thought of when I read that (n/m) - Ash's Z 14:48:43 02/03/17 Haha, right? (n/m) - ForceFedTT (SoCal) 22:32:22 02/04/17 No disrespect intended. I recently purchased your trans - Boosted1 12:11:43 02/05/17 I know you didn't mean any disrespect. I always got new - LitlElvis 21:23:01 02/05/17 c'mon, you know that's not how it works... - vorpalZ 17:05:30 02/06/17 RU FNG NUTS??!! Sell that sh**!! Group buy!! (n/m) - LJZTT 18:17:21 02/06/17 Coil pack provisions >>>> - Ash's Z 18:26:42 02/03/17 Re: Coil pack provisions >>>> - team7 18:51:08 02/03/17 I have a set of BDE rails as well as WinFactory rails on the - Ash's Z 19:19:57 02/03/17 So what are your opinions on alternate coils? - BlackholeZ 21:16:54 02/03/17
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