What I'm saying is they have shown why they dislike ams/z1. Look at Seedy's links and Aliaz's post history. They always have shown facts with links to prove their points. It's not like they pull things out of their ass like some of the ams/z1 sheep.
Btw, I'm only defending the "Seedy & Aliaz = AMS/Z1 Troll" comment you made.
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