is z-tarded!!!!! I'm thinking (at the time), I can't no way freakin see my Z in the same catagory as any "muscle" car. What really made me think about it more though, was the fact that so many horses can come from a nicely built TTZ engine...like I said, far surpassing many built v-8 ci cars. I like what waggz said about the 3.0L Z engine technically being a 2.960L....wish I had remembered that at the event!!! :) Another guy said he felt like forced induction ought to be a catagory all by-itself....which sort of made sense too....let's face it, there is a slight edge there :)