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used used the one at advanced auto parts that they mainly try to push, didn't even get cold! I then discharged it and refilled with another brand, also from advanced auto, that said it was 50% colder on the can. Low and behold, way colder, almost like my R12 was before the swap. Im happy with it. Even though I live in Ohio, it was about 95 degrees last week and like muggy 5 times over and it worked great
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