The new Kenwoods open funky, plus I have seen many returns on them managing a retail store. I think other than that they are great. Anyways on to Alpine. I posted some pics not too long ago of my 9883 and 9885 ( [ http://www.twinturbo.net/net/viewmsg.aspx?forum=general&msg_id=2010052. ] ) My brother recently got Charger R/T, and we installed the Alpine IVA-W200. I was really surprised with all the features it had even though it lacked Navi. I can't be happier with my purchases